Monsanto Class Action in: “Ad Homs are not Evidence”.

Monsanto Class Action is getting bolder, more mouthy and way, way, way more irritating. Science Pony is frustrated that T. Matthew Phillips feels the need to reach for such low hanging fruit.

Kicking Folta when he is down, you’d better believe that’s a paddling.


Update – Alma got me the book, I am no Folta but I have a very basic understand of many of the key concepts now.
I suppose that means that I am all ready for my own very first lawsuit now too.
For Science!




There had not been a proper science trolling going on 2 days and we were growing restless and wild. Aware of the need for distraction, dear Erik posted a link that he had got from a friend who believes the unfortunate woo that Polio was never really eradicated and is ever present to this day, hiding in plain sight under different names. The resulting thread would go down in history as one of the most entertaining and pointless endeavours that each of them had been a party to. Enjoy.




Nature Raper. Yep. We are doing this.

I have mulled releasing this for some time, usually I am not in favour of releasing private messages to the public as a rule. This member is in no way identified and it is a very informative exchange that has been requested before so I have acquiesced .

It is clearly a combative dialogue. People wonder aloud if there is more to this exchange that led to these fireworks. There is not a terrible lot of backstory here to be honest. Marc Brazeau of Food and Farm Lab Discussion Group were civilly discussing GMOs with a gentleman who was none too fond of GMOs. I kept it civil, Marc took a few pot shots but mostly was charitable as well. The anti got more and more frustrated,  then he moved into private message with me.

Out of Marc and I, I think we would both agree I was far nicer to this nature lover, and yet he decided to take out his pent up aggression on this target. Anti-logic, go figure.

Warning this exchange has even more foul language than usual.



Hungry Boy

This was a special day. After almost 2 solid months of lurking in a 20 thousand member anti-vaxxer echo chamber called Vaccine Resistance Movement, Science Pony made a comment on a post and set of a chain reaction that included 12 straight hours of (mostly) civil consensus pushing followed by a full on science troll invasion.


This was grabbed about 5 hours in, you can see that Science Pony is beginning to lose her Principle of Charity – it could be exhaustion, or maybe hunger, or maybe it is the idiots calling her a slut and making fun of her father’s Polio? It is hard to pinpoint causation, as we are all aware.


The forum was unusual because it had one administrator for 20 thousand people, and allowed anyone to add anyone without approval. And we did just that. This was the shills when VRM has no moderator watching:


This led to a call to action and a coordinated science troll invasion. There were 20 -30 shills, working together to create havoc in the forum while the ONE(!) moderator slept. It was legendary.


Well there you have it. That is our tale for today. VRM changed its open add status and kicked out most of our heroes. We still have a few members in the forum, reporting back and waiting for the next chance to troll for science.